This is kind of the all-star panel of the weekend. Johannes is one of the main people who organized the conference, Thomas was on my panel last night, and Kyle and Violet have both given other talks that you can see my notes on elsewhere on my lj.
Thomas:
http://thomasroche.com/Violet:
http://www.tinynibbles.comKyle:
http://www.nonpolynomial.com/Johannes:
http://www.monochrom.atThey're speaking on how technology changes the erotic creative process.
Johannes sees himself less as a technician and more as a keen cultural observer. Nowadays it's nearly impossible not to be creative on one hand, but on the other hand we know that 95% of culture is bullshit. Something like YouTube for example - there's a little bit of utopia in this capitalist big money thing like YouTube because people can put stuff online. You have to try to find a way to do things without completely losing your face.
Thomas asks, would a conference like this even have been possible 20 years ago?
Johannes says back then, it would have been a much more narrow band of people - back then, I just used FidoNet, and it would have taken like an email a day or something.
Violet says we'd be talking more about books and films, not so much about machines or DVDs or any of that.
Kyle says that if we didn't have a conference like this soon, geeks like me are going to sit in our basements so far ahead of the rest of society... and then when we come out, the rest of the world is just not going to understand us at all. Everyone fucks! You should have an influence on it. It's worth bridging the geeks right now. He says he has worked with some digital artists who took a photograph of his face and animated it and made it 3d and made him look like he was speaking Japanese and sneeze, and it freaked him out. (This is an alarming possibility from Rose's Flickr perverts....)
Violet says that people doing erotic work are now running into distribution and terms of use problems. iTunes has corralled most podcasts now, and iTunes wants to toe the line so it's been a big problem for people who want to podcast. Similarly, Violet is having problems with self-publishing because companies don't want to publish or sell the content. Regular distribution channels have their exclusive distribution contracts. Violet wants to make an audio book, so she pitched it to her agents. They said "that's a little too racy" so she decided she could just do it herself. When she looked into it, it turns out that it's all done through several companies who all have exclusive contracts with each other, and it's all DRM'd and goes through Audible (a subscription service), and and and.... So she could do it herself, but without distribution, no one will hear it. A lot of the way she's been able to figure it out is by thinking about the end user, something that most people aren't doing. How cool would it be if you could do an audio book of all this hot read erotica that you could put on shuffle... but right now, audio books are all one big file and you can't do this. Within the next 5 years, she thinks that iTunes is going to be a much smaller player.
Thomas says that he's avoided iTunes because it doesn't work on his system, but he's luckily been able to find good podcasts without them.
Johannes says he can't comment too much on the future, but it does seem like people will be avoiding technological restrictions like DRM and whatnot. There are many people thinking about content, and about technology, but not that many people thinking about distribution and contracts. The most interesting battles of the future are legal battles on the one hand, and on the other there's the battle to get people to actually do stuff. There's a culture of pessimism and fear, especially in America. On the one hand, it's bad to just say we'll just be all happy and do stuff and whatever, but on the other hand we can end up in total cultural pessimism and just give up.
Violet forgot to mention videoblogging - now that there are sites like YouPorn and etc... the things Fleshbot is getting a high response for is less and less traditional porn and more for the amateur stuff. She mentiones someone who was working on a Copy Left porn project.
Kyle says it seems like we will get to the point of peronalized porn. You're sort of throwing your movie or whatever out there and just hoping people will pay, but in the future there will be a sort of porn 'set' where you can plug in the parts that really turn you on.
Thomas talks about Poser porn, software that allows people to make rendered porn very easily. There are big communities that make this, share it, etc. Thomas started out writing porn novels when he was about 18. The marketing problems involved in this have really killed the erotic novel as a medium. The result is going to be more DIY porn, people who will get dayjobs and do what they want and give it away, etc. Sims erotica - he plays a clip for us. The point he makes about this is that it was made by a woman - for years we've been told that women don't like porn, don't look at porn, whatever... but the more DIY porn you get, the more that constructs a sexuality and a reinforcement of desire that is going to be really interesting.
Johannes says that a lot of what's on YouPorn is kind of awkward and not really that great, so it will take a couple of years before this sort of takes over the market. It might be an entirely different market.
Thomas says that people who write things just to turn themselves on, it tends to ape mainstream sex roles. People become visionaries by either just being really amazingly good at the mainstream roles, or more by coming up with a personal touch and something a little different.
Violet says that people are taking a lot of porn stereotypes and pushing them, playing with them. It's interesting that a lot of slash writers are female.
Thomas gives an overview of slash. These people are retelling stories from mainstream media, but they're twisting it and making it their own.
Violet says that, getting away from the 'women liking romantic porn' stereotype.. a lot of slash is very intense, sometimes even violent or transgressive. A friend of hers does Harry Potter slash doing chat to do fairly extreme sexual things to each other in chat... they had a meetup. It was her friend all in black, and a bunch of suburban housewives.
Kyle says that there are still people who really want to be these porn stereotypes too, people who really want to be the big-dicked guy, the big-titted blonde fucking in a car. Are people ever going to figure it out, or will someone have to help them?
Thomas mentions that trans identities get a lot of exploration through internet and net.sex -a lot of people play in cross-gendered spaces, and some people find that this is a good way for some to get comfortable with real-world trans identities.
Thomas says that the easy availability of the equipment to make porn seems to have changed the actual commercial porn that's made. It seems to be working somewhat away from features and towards more episodic and amateur-aesthetic work. Violet says that this is why she wanted to bring Eon McKai here, to talk to someone in mainstream porn who has been moving in a different direction. Johannes says this is just the beginning, this easy tech is just starting to change culture and sex.
Violet adds that fantasies are often much better than realities. People may experiment up to the point of trying out the reality, and possibly find ourselves not enjoying ourselves or just in an uncomfortable situation.... A lot of porn is fantasy that people really just don't want to interact.
Thomas reiterates his point from last night that porn can sometimes encourage people too much, it can get people a little too involved in something that may not be safe.
Violet says that one of the real worries is people not paying attention to safer sex precautions.
Johannes says that one of the reasons we're doing this conference is to talk about this stuff.
Thomas asks, what are (the panelists) most excited about that they couldn't have done a few years ago?
Violet answers, getting the type of porn that I think is hot that I want to put out into the world... what has me the most excited is to continue to break down the way that it's distributed and disseminated. She was the second female blogger.
Kyle says he wants to get tech as cheap as possible so people can automate whatever the hell they want.
Johannes says he's excited about going to sleep. Free mankind? Something. Heh.
Thomas says he is most excited about technology opening up the ability to make money writing with less and less effort.
Johannes talks about dead media, the death of media, and how that works. If you know that, then you have the brightest possible future.